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Postby pilvikki » 22 Jan 2014, 20:01



patron saint of barcelona. here is her crypt in the cathedral dedicated to her and i would argue their usage of the word "endearing" about a memorial for someone who at the age of 13 was ripped to pieces hanging on the cross, (left outside in the snow naked, rolled about in a barrel of knives, depending on who's telling the story), but the artwork is beautiful:

eulalia, rip
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Postby Ice.Maiden » 23 Jan 2014, 13:36

No, "endearing's" hardly the word is it? Still, the poor child. I'd like to know more about her. What situation gave rise to her being made a saint?
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Postby pilvikki » 24 Jan 2014, 08:10


the fact that the romans brutally tortured her to death because she refused their brand of religion....
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Postby Ice.Maiden » 24 Jan 2014, 11:03

Seems OTT, considering that Catholicism was eventually practiced by the Romans.

They were an evil lot when it came to torturing and murdering people. Then again, so were we, and it often had nothing to do with religious beliefs. : (
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Postby pilvikki » 24 Jan 2014, 18:57


the whole issue is a disaster!
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Postby Ice.Maiden » 24 Jan 2014, 20:19

To be perfectly frank, I now think that the whole issue of turning people into "saints" is, as well.
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Postby pilvikki » 25 Jan 2014, 11:54


is it not exactly 'idolatry'? and the purpose is...?

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Postby Ice.Maiden » 25 Jan 2014, 18:23

It's a strange concept. Catholics pray to god, but also to saints, in the belief that their prayers'll be answered. The early saints were all just martyrs - people like St. Eulalia, who died for her beliefs. Then you get the cannonised saints, who're declared worthy for other reasons, after they've deceased, by the Pope.

The Vatican says it's alright to bow down before images of Mary, and to ask her for help, but this isn't classed as Divine Worship, which's only to god himself. There's a word for it - veneration? It differs from idolatory worship, but in my opinion, it's still a questionable subject.
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Postby pilvikki » 27 Jan 2014, 07:03


one thing about a good catholic, they sure can explain away anything!

i wish i were half as good. :roll:
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Postby Ice.Maiden » 27 Jan 2014, 10:24

Oh they do, they do. I can remember going to Catholic churches, Catholic youth clubs, Catholic-run schools and discos, Father whoever popping round for a chat .... and they have an answer and a protocol for everything. Luckily I have a selective memory. : )

I'm still interested in these old stories though, whether to do with saints or not.
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Postby pilvikki » 27 Jan 2014, 18:00


it's basically history i like history.
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Postby Ice.Maiden » 27 Jan 2014, 19:49

Same here. I used to be very good at English history from the Middle Ages to the Industrial Revolution. I've forgotten a good chunk of it now, but things come back when I've helped the boys with their homework. I love old historic buildings, especially castles and forts. They have an atmosphere don't they?
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Postby pilvikki » 27 Jan 2014, 20:09


some more congenial than others... :shifty:
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Postby Ice.Maiden » 28 Jan 2014, 14:36

Definitely, but good or bad, if the walls could tell tales ...
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