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US election 2012: Key Republicans sit out debate

Postby AJRC » 06 May 2011, 06:52

The first debate on the road to the Republican 2012 presidential nomination has been held, with most key potential candidates absent from the stage.


Are they running scared? This time in 2007 all the major contenders took part, so what has changed? They say the news of Bin Laden's death couldn't have come at a worse time for the GOP, a lot pulled out at the last minute knowing the news would dominate everything and Obama would be very popular. The also ran's still turned up like Ron Paul and Tim Pawlenty, but i suppose they know they don't really have much chance so probably thought what the hell.

I'm surprised the GOP are running scared though, in 2007 the run up to the election had already started. Now it seems the GOP don't have a clear direction. I think this stems from the negative opinions towards the tea party and the far right over the last five months. Events so far this year haven't been kind to either group. The tea party is seen as a group who spew violent political rhetoric and their leader is Palin. I think Palin will be putting a lot of undecideds off the tea party. The far right is coming under increasing pressure because the only policies to get the economy back on track are the policies of Dubya, and we all know how well they worked. I think the GOP need to move away from both groups, i'm not saying they need to become moderate, but they need to distance themselves from the right wing extremists.

There is still plenty of time for the candidates to declare themselves, they have until February 2012. But as i said this time in 2007 they had already all announced they'd run. Obama's polls have him at a 52% approval rate, this should have been the perfect time for the GOP to attack. I'm not sure what they're afraid of, but something has them spooked.
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Re: US election 2012: Key Republicans sit out debate

Postby kg » 06 May 2011, 13:36


It may be the Tea Party that has them spooked. It's all over the news over here that some of the Freshman Congressmen are now "taking the mick" from their constituents at their town hall meetings.

You must admit that the Republican Party have taken some very unpopular (and therefore, politically suicidal) moves recently. Apparently one of the most recent (which directly affected the "don't touch my Medicare" Tea Party members) was exactly that. They recently decided to "study" their proposal to radically alter the Medicare program after the Tea Party finally woke up to what was going on.

As you can imagine, the backlash was severe! As I said, the Freshman Congressmen were finding their very own Tea Party (let alone everybody else!) up in arms and demanding answers. The party finally realized that, if they were to save their political asses, they'd better back off on the radicalism a bit...there's nothing like a Populist uprising to change "policy", especially one in your own court! :lol:

Yes, they're spooked. They know that, when you wake the people up to what's going on to that degree, the people will start scrutinizing other "policies," as well! That could lead to them losing their cushy little political positions, and as we all know, THAT is what they're concerned with...nothing else!

Of course, none of this will matter once the recession resumes (and I think it will...BIG TIME!). We'll be losing a lot of these things whether we wish it or not; whether the politicians take them away from us or not. That we, or they, realize it or not is of no consequence.
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Re: US election 2012: Key Republicans sit out debate

Postby AJRC » 10 May 2011, 05:49

I hadn't read anything about the teabagger's double standards concerning Medicare cuts, just had a good laugh at the stories now. Seems the entire reason the tea party was put together was to protest against a single-payer national health care system. And now when the single-payer national health care system called Medicare is threatened they are up in arms. It seems Socialism is bad, unless it affects them and then it's good so hands off. :roll:

Double standards always make me laugh. :lmao3:
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Re: US election 2012: Key Republicans sit out debate

Postby kg » 10 May 2011, 11:10


AJRC wrote:Double standards always make me laugh. :lmao3:


I know....you've said! :lmao4:

Latest word is that repealing healthcare is off the table now. I don't know what they're doing, but my thought is that they're afraid the Tea Party is going to start taking a hard look at that, now.

I don't know, was opposing health care the reason the Tea Party originally formed, or is that just the most famous of their hot button issues? OK, after a bit of researching, I came up with the following page:

History of the Tea Party Movement

CNBC's Rick Santelli is widely credited with launching the grassroots movement. While standing on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange on February 19, 2009, he unleashed what can only be called a rant against the Obama Administration's proposal to help homeowners facing foreclosure refinance their mortgages.

"Do we really want to subsidize the losers' mortgages?" he asked. "This is America! How many of you people want to pay for your neighbor's mortgage that has an extra bathroom and can't pay their bills?" He went on to suggest that he would organize a Chicago Tea Party in July, where capitalists would dump "some derivative securities into Lake Michigan." The video of his tirade became a YouTube hit, and thus the movement was born. Within weeks, Tea Party protests were sprouting up all over the country...


I remember that speech. I thought at the time how unfair that statement was...that not everyone who was facing foreclosure was a "deadbeat squatter". Quite a few of them were their "upstanding neighbors" who, along with many others in this country, had lost their jobs through no fault of their own. I think history has proven me out.

...Santelli, however, can't claim credit as the sole mastermind of the movement. Prior to his appearance in Chicago, Keli Carender, a Seattle at-home mother also known as Liberty Belle, had been using her blog to get the word out about the populist "Porkulus Protest" she was organizing against President Barack Obama's proposed $750 billion stimulus package. About 100 people showed up for her event in mid-February. Similar events inspired by both Santelli and Carender, followed in quick succession in Denver; Mesa, Ariz.; Tampa, Fla.; and other cities. Tea Party organizers claim that the first nationwide Tea Party protest took place on February 27, 2009, with coordinated events occurring in more than 40 cities.


I also remember that aspect of the movement. Of course, I disagreed with that also, considering that it was firmly stated that these companies were to pay this money back (well, except for the part that went to the states for investment in the infrastructure). Last I heard, the vast majority of that stimulus money has been paid back.

Mention of protests against Healthcare is almost a footnote:

Protests against the stimulus package, the bank bailouts, and health-care legislation continued throughout 2009, with major events held on July 4 and September 12. During the summer, Tea Party protesters were criticized for their disruptive outbursts during meetings held by members of Congress in their home districts to discuss health-care reform.


As I remember it, the biggest issues prompting the launching of the various and sundry Tea Party groups was the stimulus package and Obamas proposed help for home owners. Too bad the teabaggers can't seem to wrap their mind around the fact that the Reps also advocated their move of vastly changing Medicare along with Healthcare opposition. I guess not much high-level thinking goes on in a trailer park or on a bench in the town square in front of the barber shop. :whistle:

The Reps are definitely running scared though, aren't they? It's almost as if they've lost their "moral" compass! :lol:
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Re: US election 2012: Key Republicans sit out debate

Postby AJRC » 18 May 2011, 10:26

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13425227

A very interesting article on why some think the GOP are running scared of Obama. I think the tea party is becoming the best weapon the Democrats have, just when the GOP seemed to be gelling together the teabaggers have split them apart again by going over to the far right. As the article says it'll take a moderate to bring the minority voters in, so that means Palin is a no go. She'd bring in the white christian neo-conservatives but everyone else would shy away from such an empty suit. The GOP need someone who will attract all of the voters not just one demographic. That was Obama's strength, white, black and Hispanic voted for him.

The longer they wait the stronger Obama will become. I can't believe they're waiting to see which way the economy is going, that would be one hell of a gamble. It shows how scared they are of Obama, with that fear being confirmed with Huckabee's decision not to run.

This will be a strange run up. I still think Romney will get the nod, but at this stage it's anyone's guess as to who will run. It could as the article says be a complete unknown who wins the candidacy. I mean who had heard of Obama until he ran, everyone was convinced that Clinton was a shoe-in?
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Re: US election 2012: Key Republicans sit out debate

Postby jakimbro » 18 May 2011, 13:15

The Tea Party has no double standards. Its not an official party with an officail platform like the Democrats and the GOP. What it is - is millions of American citizens from all walks of life concerend by the ever expanding US government, its ever increasing taxations and laws that threaten freedom in this country, and members of congress - who though they claaim to support conservative values- in fact lie and to get elected and pursue thier own interests or those of the liberal socialists currently in power. You may note all the candidates who got Tea party support ,who won election last november- but even more intersting were the ones voted out. by and large these were all trun coats- members of conrgress who hd voted to support Obama's UnConstitutional Health care bill, and congressman who had done nothing to decrease unemployment, support the military, or bring taxation and governemnt spending down tio sane level.

The tea party is grass roots movement- a swelling and uprising against fradulent people and lousy legislations that threaten freedom and libert in america. it doesn't recognize star power- actions speak louder than words- and if the Senators or represntatives in congress fail again to lower taxation, increas employment and or end the unending wars in Aghanistan and iraq- those Congressmen TOO will be voted out. The tea party IS the real America- and its will not be thwarted by the liars and thieves currently in power...
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