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Is There STILL Any Doubt?

Postby Yogi » 27 Apr 2011, 09:04

CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... 03544.html

Yeah Yeah Yeah... I hear you saying "What took him so long?" Get over it, and move on.
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Re: Is There STILL Any Doubt?

Postby AJRC » 27 Apr 2011, 10:25

I honestly don't think this will stop the "birthers". They've been asking for this since his inauguration, now they've got it they still won't be satisfied. They'll find something else to obsess over, like saying it's a fake or forged. Or that the doctor was paid to sign it. Or any number of other conspiracy theories these loonies can come up with.

I think it's been released at the perfect time though. Donald Trump's entire campaign was based on getting the "birther" support from Palin now her campaign is a lost cause. Now his campaign will be on shaky ground and he'll look a fool if he continues along the "birther" route.
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Re: Is There STILL Any Doubt?

Postby AJRC » 28 Apr 2011, 06:56

No, he looks a fool. He's now asking for Obama to prove he was such a good student at Harvard. He says he's heard that Obama was a terrible student and shouldn't have gone to a top university. It seems Trump's entire campaign is to find ways to catch Obama in a lie, i'm guessing Trump knows he's not a serious contender for the WH. Next he'll be asking for proof Obama is a christian and not a Muslim. :roll:
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Re: Is There STILL Any Doubt?

Postby Ice.Maiden » 28 Apr 2011, 07:25

And asking if his hair's really all his own?
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Re: Is There STILL Any Doubt?

Postby kg » 28 Apr 2011, 08:49


Ice.Maiden wrote:And asking if his hair's really all his own?


That would be a bit of a "pot and kettle" thing, wouldn't it? I've already read a post elsewhere (on Facebook) where someone said they'd been watching Trump speak and could have sworn something on his head moved. I think he should send that thing out for grooming and obedience training!

"Sit! Now STAY!!" Of course, good thing is, it already knows how to play dead! :lol:

I must admit I did hear him talking about one of the actual serious issues earlier, though...the economy and our economic relationship with China and others in the far- and middle east. Imagine that...someone who's declared bankruptcy three times instructing us on how the country's economy should be run! We must be in really deep doggy doo-doo to need advice like that! :doh:
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Re: Is There STILL Any Doubt?

Postby AJRC » 28 Apr 2011, 10:33

-kg- wrote:We must be in really deep doggy doo-doo to need advice like that!


It's happened before. People voted for Dubya twice!

Dubya a man who started up a number of oil exploration companies in Texas and didn't find one drop. Sold all his stock in the companies just months before they went into bankruptcy, investigated for insider trading. Dubya also around this time formed close business ties with the family of none other than Osama bin Laden. Wasted a budget surplus and gained the record for biggest annual deficit in history. His economy failed so badly it created a global crisis that we won't see the end of until at least 2020.

So don't count on people actually thinking before they vote. It must be the hypnotic powers of that roadkill on his head that makes people forget his past business failures.
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Re: Is There STILL Any Doubt?

Postby jakimbro » 05 May 2011, 22:04

Yes.

The recently released 'birth certificate' is no different than the first one. It still does not have a physician's signiture, and stamped date and time of birth; it still lacks the footprints and handprints of the new born Obama. It looks nothing like birth certificate would have looked in 1961- I know because MINE is from 1960 and they (xerox copies) did NOT look like that then. For example: The background is obviously photoshopped and does NOT match the curvature of the document- I can tell you that based on over ten years working withcopies and xerox machines.

Then there are the questions: IF Obama had the proper documentation all this time- why didn't he just release it and be done with it? Why are there still conflicting stories about his birth from his own grandmother in Kenya?
Why did Obama spend millions to seal and never release ANY public record of his life?

I believe Obama is lying. About what- it doesn't matter. He had something to conceal and Trump forced his hand- and out came this outrageous forgery. The media of course is going along with it. It doesn't matter though. Obama is a liar. You can't hide the truth forever- it will all come out one day.
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Postby Yogi » 11 May 2011, 10:19

Donald needs some toilet paper to wipe the fecal matter off his face. However, I give my admiration to the birthers who hold such strong convictions in spite of having their foundations knocked out from under them. It's just bad form to keep publicizing those delusions after they have been revealed for what they are. The next thing I expect to hear from the right wings is that president Obama is a Muslim who ordered the assassination of one of his own. Fortunately, that's not important enough to start a jihad over.
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Re: Is There STILL Any Doubt?

Postby AJRC » 11 May 2011, 10:59

You have to remember that no matter what Obama does the "birthers" will always hate him, these conspiracy theories are just an excuse. How dare an uppity black man be in the WH. They couldn't care if you found irrefutable proof of his birth, they'd find something else to obsess over. I said originally i knew they'd think it was forged and look on any right wing forum and i've been proved correct as usual. They are all so predictable.

I also said that now the birth certificate has been released people would start fixating on whether Obama was a Muslim or not, again i've been proved correct.

What i think the "birthers" are really p*ssed at is just at the worst political time for Palin and Trump they've been made to look fools. A lot of undecideds are now thinking the "birthers" are just conspiracy nuts who will just find a new conspiracy every time one of their theories is debunked.
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Re: Is There STILL Any Doubt?

Postby jakimbro » 12 May 2011, 21:15

Yogi- you have obviously NOT looked at the latest birth certificate.What I'm saying is NOT based on poltical ideology but actual physical proof. HAVE you looked at it?
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Re: Is There STILL Any Doubt?

Postby jakimbro » 15 May 2011, 23:39

1 of 3 Americans Still Skeptical About Obama’s Birth
Posted on May 15, 2011 by Eowyn

On April 27, after refusing to release his long-form birth certificate for more than two years, Obama finally released that elusive document that he had spent a reported $1-2 million on lawyer fees to conceal.

Immediately after Obama’s press appearance to unveil the document, doubts began about its authenticity.
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/ ... rtificate/ The forgery was done so poorly that even tech-savvy San Diego high school students who had thought “birthers” were “nut-cases,” determined the birth certificate is a piece of photoshopped fiction.

Now comes polling evidence that, for all of Obama’s efforts, as many as a third of Americans remain skeptical about whether he indeed had been born in the United States.

About a week after Obama had released an image of his “birth certificate,” Gallup conducted a poll, on May 5-8, of 1,018 adult Americans by landline and cellphone. Here are the findings:

Less than a majority — 47% of those surveyed — say they believe Obama was “definitely” born in the United States.
18% say Obama “probably” was born in the United States.
As many as a third of Americans remain skeptical or unsure: 8% say he probably was born elsewhere, 5% say he definitely was, and 20% say they don’t know enough to say.
The poll has a margin of error of +/-4 percentage points.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... cate_n.htm
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/ ... mas-birth/
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Re: Is There STILL Any Doubt?

Postby jakimbro » 15 May 2011, 23:46

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A QUESTION OF ELIGIBILITY

From A to Z: What's wrong with Obama's birth certificate?
Examine for yourself mounting evidence that president's document isn't genuine

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After years of stonewalling and fighting in court to keep his long-form birth certificate under wraps, President Barack Obama has publicized an image of the document he claims should resolve his birthplace once and for all.

But is it the real deal?

In his speech announcing the birth certificate's release, Obama quickly tried to silence critical analysis of document:

"I know that there's going to be a segment of people for which, no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest, but I'm speaking to the vast majority of the American people," Obama said. "We do not have time for this kind of silliness."

But Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND, the only news agency that has waged a relentless investigative campaign on questions swirling around Obama's constitutional eligibility, warns those questions shouldn't be dismissed so quickly.

"The news media and the political establishment were quick to rush to judgment regarding Obama's eligibility in 2008, without any basis," Farah said. "It would be a big mistake for everyone to jump to a conclusion now based on the release of this document, which raises as many questions as it answers."

Some of those questions have already been resolved – such as rumors WND debunked claiming the name of the hospital on the document was fictitious – while others present significant challenges to accepting the birth certificate's validity.

But many questions still remain.

Perhaps most significant, two weeks before Obama finally released his "long-form birth certificate," Hawaii's former Health Department chief Chiyome Fukino – the one official who claimed to have examined Obama's original birth document – was interviewed by NBC News' national investigative correspondent Michael Isikoff, who reported that Fukino told him she had seen the original birth certificate and that it was "half typed and half handwritten."

However, the document released by the White House was entirely typed. Only the signatures and two dates at the very bottom were "handwritten." What Fukino described is apparently a different document from what Obama released to the public.

Further, a growing list of graphic artists and computer experts have examined the online birth certificate and have concluded the image has been altered.

For example, Karl Denninger, the former CEO of MCSNet, a Chicago networking and Internet company, who also told WND he voted for Obama, demonstrates "kerning" on the birth certificate, a lining up of letters routinely done by computers but impossible on typewriters of the 1960s, implying the document was computer generated, not photocopied.

Denninger explains that in the image above, of the name of the hospital, the "a" and the "p" share vertical space on the line, an example of "kerning," which only modern computers can do.

Denninger's work follows the opinion from another analyst, Ivan Zatkovich of Tampa-based eComp Consultants, which consults on intellectual property for telecommunications, Web publishing and e-commerce. Zatkovich has 28 years experience in computer science and document management and for more than 10 years has been an expert witness in federal court in both criminal and civil litigation.

Zatkovich's analysis of layers in the PDF file, while dispelling some purported anomalies on the document, nonetheless confirms others, leading him to the conclusion, "The content clearly indicates that the document was knowingly and explicitly edited and modified before it was placed on the web."

And KJCT-TV of Grand Junction, Colo., reported the opinion of graphic artist James Colby, who said, "There is no doubt it has been edited and quite significantly."

Several other factors bring the birth document's authenticity into question:

The objectivity of "experts" cited by the mainstream media to verify the birth certificate is suspect, including that of Fox News Channel's Jean-Claude Tremblay, who assured America they "should not be suspicious" of the document, but who, WND discovered, had heralded Obama's election victory in an online post.

Obama's posted birth certificate contains the same anomalies as a well-known forgery that claimed he was born in Kenya, suggesting the anomalous markings came from the same source. "How could Obama's 'real' birth certificate share these unique characteristics with an obvious forgery?" asks Farah. "For the life of me, I can't figure out an answer other than they were created by the same person or persons."


The birth certificate's reported delivering physician, Dr. David Sinclair, differs from previously published reports and even the myth-busting Snopes.com's original entry, which named Dr. Rodney T. West as the doctor of record.

Obama's purported birth certificate contains over a dozen differences in form from the verified, Hawaii copy of the birth certificate issued to the Nordyke twins, born the next day at the same reported hospital.

Another YouTube participant, 37, who identifies himself as orangegold1 and a computer image expert, posted a video trying to persuade watchers that the White House either was ignorant in scanning and posting a document, or was submarined by someone inside the walls who wanted people to be suspicious of the document:

His concerns rest with the layers that are in the document, and he claimed some of the images on the document actually were added via computer.

"I do this for a living," he said, adding that the document is "obviously faked."


The local registrar listed in the Nordyke twins' birth certificate is notably different than the local registrar on the Obama birth certificate.

Birth certificate of Gretchen Nordyke, one of two twin sisters born at what was known in 1961 as the Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Though Obama was born before the Nordyke twins, and though his birth was filed with the registrar three days before the twins' birth, Obama's purported birth certificate has a higher registration number.

The age of Obama's father, as listed on the document, conflicts with previously discovered documents about Barack Obama Sr.

There are no notations on the document indicating Obama's adoption by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, as are often made – even replacing the name of the birth parents – when a child in the U.S. is adopted.
In addition, the SmokingGun.com website notes several additional irregularities with the Obama birth certificate that do not appear on the Nordyke twin's birth certificates:

In Box 3, "This Birth," there are two "Xs" above "Twin" and "Triplet" – why are these "Xs" here and what do they signify?

What is the meaning of the smudges in the Obama birth certificate in the box containing the name of the attending physician?

What is the significance of the numbers, seen vertically, on the right side of the Obama birth certificate?

Hawaii officials say they have Obama's original birth certificate and made copies for the president. One of the copies then was scanned and posted on the White House website.

But Denninger is among those who say there are still too many questions to simply examine an online image.

He contends, "There's only one way we're going to get the truth – a forensic document examiner is going to have to go look at the certificate and authenticate it. The real one – not a printout."

The White House had trumpeted the release of the document, calling it "proof positive" Obama was born in Hawaii, as if that would answer all of the questions about his presidential eligibility.

But even if Obama's Hawaiian birth were proven and verified, many contend the country's founders understood a "natural born Citizen" – as listed by the Article 2, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution as a requirement to hold the office of president – to be a person born of two American parents.

Barack Obama Sr., who is listed as the father, was not a U.S. citizen.

The president himself even seemed to acknowledge the relevance of parental citizenship when he co-sponsored a resolution to address Sen. John McCain's presidential eligibility that implied a "natural born Citizen" must be born to "American citizen" parents.

"You may have thought Barack Obama ended the eligibility debate, and certainly the birth certificate debate," said Farah, "with his release of what purports to be his long-awaited, long-form document.

"But it's not over," he added. "Not by a long shot."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=296881
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