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PostPosted: 06 Nov 2012, 08:39
by Yogi
Scott Adams the artist behind Dilbert has a background in the information technology field. His comics often reflect ideas sent to him by his followers. Real names are never mentioned, but people inside the company (or industry) can relate to the humor quite well. This strip is particularly relevant.

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Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 18 Nov 2012, 11:44
by Kellemora
Mickey$oft is getting more irrelevant by the minute!

Vista 8 sales falling, Customer complaints swamping service centers, OEM's upset with Mickey$oft.
And the most feared thing about UEFI has come to pass!
Mickey$oft is BLOCKING GNU/Linux installations, just as most of the Linux community KNEW they would do.
Anti-trust litigation again Mickey$oft underway! ... x-in-oems/

Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 18 Nov 2012, 15:56
by Yogi
If I take what you are saying literally the Linux community is crying sour grapes. Who the hell would want a Linux OS on a computer designed to run Windows? Only a fraction of the 1.5% of people who actually use Linux even care about UEFI. I'm sure the lawyers in Redmond are getting a good chuckle out of the crybabies who are being locked out of systems designed to run somebody else's product.

Microsoft has made major mistakes in the past and recovered from them. Windows 8 may not be the best idea at this time, but don't count them out of the game just yet. As soon as they force Steve Ballmer to retire, you will see Microsoft change directions. It's not been the same since Gates stepped down.

Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 19 Nov 2012, 11:52
by Kellemora
Computer Manufacturers recognize that the bulk of their sales are to Windows Users, so naturally they are going to bow down and worship the one who puts bread on their table.
ASUS provides motherboards where the USER can turn the UEFI on and off at will.
But the problems have now gone much deeper than control over the UEFI hardware.

If you follow at all, all the things currently going on, you will see what Mickey$oft is doing and what they are forcing the hardware manufacturers to do, in order to sell a computer with Windows pre-installed.
It's much more than UEFI, like DRM's are expanding and locking out everything not approved by Mickey$oft.

Even if you buy a Windows Computer, and desire to code a few of your own programs.
Under the new Controls Mickey$oft is now requiring, you CANNOT run that program on a computer shipped with Windows, you are LOCKED OUT COMPLETELY, it will ONLY RUN Windows Approved Software and NOTHING ELSE.

Red Hat Linux PAID THE PIPER, so that THEIR OS will run on Windows Computers, in either Dual Boot or a VM environment.
If a user Pays the Royalties to Mickey$oft to get the Key to allow it to be installed that is.

Users do not control the software in MOST of the appliances they own, they are designed to Work without user intervention.
But take an item such as a Radio or TV, Users Expect to be able to connect to an Antenna, Or a Cable Company, Or to a Low Orbit Satellite Provider, or to a Big Dish Satellite Provider, and be able to receive ALL of the stations That Provider Offers, Plus MOST want access to the Local TV Channel's as well.

When you go to the store to buy a TV, can you IMAGINE the CHAOS if you had to FIRST know who your TV Provider was and buy a TV LOCKED to ONLY THAT PROVIDER. You could NEVER CHANGE from an Antenna to use a Cable or Dish company, or if the Cable Company goes belly up, or is out of service, you CANNOT Use an Antenna......

What Mickey$oft is now doing is no different!!!!!

Just as people are buying up all the Twinkies off the store shelves, the same thing is happening with Motherboards manufactured before UEFI, now that these new additional Hardware LOCKING features were mandated by Mickey$oft.

Remember WAY BACK when the Movie Industry began making Video Cassettes that could not be copied.
Oh they could be copied on OLDER VHS machines, but not on any of the newer VHS machines.
They sent an OVERPOWERED Signal to the Vertical Retrace that rendered all the newer VHS machines inoperable.
This Overpowered Signal did not mess with TV's, only the newer VHS machines.
Those who wanted to Copy these Videos, illegal at that time, did so by going out and buying up all the OLDER VHS machines, not affected by the Overpowered retrace signal.

Mickey$oft is running SCARED and FIGHTING for their Life, using every illegal method they can find a LOOPHOLE to utilize.
Anti-Trust suits are building momentum, and if they don't quit trying to Monopolize the Industry with the direction they have gone, by Forcing Manufacturers to Kowtow to them and them alone, they may not be able to overcome the lawsuits.

Mickey$oft RUNS LINUX on their primary mainframe servers, WHY?
It wouldn't cost them anything to run their OWN Server Programs!
They just can't take the Security Risk of running their OWN Software on those most important Servers where they run Linux!

Yes, I agree, Windows is changing, and becoming MORE LIKE LINUX with each Major Change!

What would a world be like if FORD garnered the market and made ALL OTHER Auto Manufacturers PAY THEM for the right to sell their own cars? Oh, you can't use Firestone Tires on a Ford car! You MUST USE those DEADLY MICHELIN Tires! Or you can't hang that pair of Dice from your Mirror in a Ford Car, unless you Pay Us to Do So. Or stick the Hula Dancer on your Dash, NO NO NO, WE ARE GOD AND WE SAY NO. Only FORD APPROVED items may be placed in or on your car. Yet the OWNER of FORD is driving around in a Roll Royce, because it has NO such CONTROLS or DEMANDS placed upon it.

THAT IS just how STUPID Mickey$oft has become! And Windows Users are OBLIVIOUS to what is happening!

Just wait, Pretty Soon, Windows Users will ONLY BE ABLE TO CONNECT to Web Sites Running Mickey$oft Server!
Any web site running a Linux or Unix Server will be BANNED by Mickey$oft and LOCKED OUT from a Windows Computer.
Suddenly, NO MORE ON-LINE BANKING, banks don't trust Mickey$oft $erver! No more Google, Amazon, Facebook as they all run Linux.

Give Mickey$oft and INCH and they will take ONE HUNDRED MILES! An the SHEEPLE will go Yeah Man, have at it, UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE!!!!!


Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 22 Nov 2012, 10:49
by Kellemora
Apple sales are climbing as Mickey$ofts are dropping.
It looks like they are still afraid of Linux!
But several manufacturers are shipping record numbers of Linux boxes this year!

Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 22 Nov 2012, 13:08
by Yogi
You probably are familiar with the story, Gary, but I'll repeat it here for those readers who may have not heard it before. Bill Gates the founder of Microsoft grew up in the same era as Steve Jobs the creator of Apple Computers. They were both visionaries with a passion for computers. UNIX was the standard in those days and everything we see today is an outgrowth of that standard.

Apple computers were developed with the average desktop user in mind. In many ways Jobs was arrogant and a rebel, and his single minded focus on making personal computing easy and accessible was his passion. Gates was more of a businessman and came on the scene after Jobs. In fact Bill Gates wanted to merge efforts with Jobs to form a single company, but the two men had different visions of what computers were all about and went their separate ways.

DOS was the platform for Windows 1.x and Windows 2.x and was going nowhere. Jobs, on the other hand offered the early version of what we know today as Windows. Around the time of Windows 3.x Apple Computers agreed to license the desktop environment to Microsoft with some limitations. Gates, being less arrogant that Jobs, jumped on the opportunity to market an easy to use desktop environment. By the time Windows 95 came along, personal computers were selling like wildfire primarily due to the point-and-click folder oriented desktop. The problem here was that Microsoft was overstepping it's license limitations. Thus Apple computers filed a law suit for breach of the licensing agreement. The battle dragged on for eons because it was not Apple who invented the now familiar desktop they were using. They got it for free from a major copy machine manufacturer who thought it was useless for their products. I'm thinking it was Xerox, but I could be wrong. The point is that Apple did not have copyright grounds on which to defend it's desktop.

The battle lines were clearly drawn but the outcome was far from certain. Apple was in deep financial trouble at the time and could not afford a law suit, but it was the principle of the matter that made Jobs continue on. Then the writing was on the wall. Apple was going down the tubes unless they got a big infusion of money to carry them through the current financial crisis. Bill Gates came to the rescue and offered Apple all the money they needed to stay alive, providing they drop the law suit. The suit was dropped and Microsoft donated the needed funds to it's only competitor to keep the competition alive. It was a sound business decision on the part of Bill Gates which was anything but anti-competitive.

Microsoft has been accused of using unscrupulous business practices since forever. There may be some truth to it, but they have won every suit brought against them, including those by the US government and several states. They did have to pay fines but never had to alter their product or change their practices. The exception being in Europe where the laws are different and they did offer people the option to use Internet Explorer or not as a settlement of the anti-competitive law suits there. But, in every high profile case Microsoft has defended itself from attack successfully and demonstrated it has been operating within the law.

When you are as huge and as successful as Microsoft you become vulnerable to attack. Nobody likes the big guy especially if he might be a bully as well. Thus aside from the lawsuits, hackers using LINUX continue to this day to write viruses and malicious malware designed to bring down Windows. People pirate the operating system without any second thoughts saying that Microsoft is big enough to allow for their illegal activities. While all that is true, it would be insane to allow the attacks to continue unchallenged. Implementation of hardware/software locks is just the latest way to make their products secure and less vulnerable to attack. The only people who would argue against such measures are LINUX users who no longer have an easy target. Instead of making a product that is competitive, these LINUX hackers rather assault the big corporation for whatever profit they gain by that.

But, alas, Microsoft is not perfect. It has created many terrible products both in the hardware and software end of the business. Windows 8 may prove to be a bomb, but it's not going to stop the evolution of computer usage. The cloud and mobile devices are here forever. LINUX is not designed for personal computer usage - it does rather well in the server market niche however. Windows is not designed for enterprise servers and it's current 84% dominance of the desktop computer world shows where it's core competency resides. We will see some major shifts in the coming years, but I doubt that Microsoft will go away any time soon. Not in my lifetime anyway. It's fair to argue that Microsoft does not cater to any individual's special needs. Nothing in the computer world satisfies everyone. If you can't deal with the current round of products, then by all means use the antiquated hardware and software that serves your needs best. My personal choice would be to look forward, but then that does involve a learning curve. I'm not at the point where I cannot negotiate an incline, yet. :grin:

Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 25 Nov 2012, 13:12
by Kellemora
I think you meant to say CRACKER instead of HACKER, Hackers are the good guys who improve and develop software. A Cracker is someone who writes malicious code and tries to break security systems.

Richard Stahlman who began the GNU project to maintain software freedom is often confused with open source and free of cost software, unknown to many, he is totally against open source software.
Software Freedom basically means, you the user have control over your computer and what it is in it, whether purchased or free, whether owned by a large corporation or nobody in particular.

Most proprietary software IS malicious software, intended to not only control the user, but to spy on them as well. Users of proprietary software submit to being handcuffed and controlled by the maker of that software.
Doesn't matter if it's Microsoft, Apple or even RedHatLinux, if they control the backdoor and leave openings to control the user, then they are guilty of user manipulation and spying. The users of same have given up their freedom and willfully chose to be handcuffed.

Probably over 90% of those who use Linux and programs that are open source, wouldn't know what to do with the code if they did download it. It does have a good side, as thousands can watch if any changes were made that might restrict a users freedom and will scream about it very loudly. The bad side is, as you pointed out, someone could alter the code, a cracker could exploit it for evil purposes, but with thousands of eyes watching, they wouldn't last very long before being discovered and their modifications deleted.

People who use proprietary software do not have thousands of eyes watching for malicious code, virus or trojan software. But the owners of same write all of that into the code themselves, most proprietary software is built around malice, greed and control of the user, holding them in a prison.

As Linux grows, so do the number of crackers trying to break the security systems. They have a much harder time doing so, simply because of the number of eyes watching over it. At most, crackers try to hit web sites, to either bring them down or to add a program that those who visit the web site will have downloaded onto their own computers. Since neither Microsoft or Apple watch for these security holes, and many are purposely written into the OS to allow other industries, such as virus software vendors to exist, all paying Microsoft for the rights to sell programs that run on Microsoft or Apple computers, it is all about the Money and those security holes are NOT going to be closed up.

We find a stark contrast in the Linux community to the proprietary community, in the very fact that if a security hole is found, it is closed within hours, sometimes even minutes, and a patch shot down through all Distro Providers as a security update. Some claim getting these every day can be annoying, after a new Distro version is released. The alternative is like Microsoft or Apple, NO PATCH comes down the wire until THEY decide to send, usually three or more months after it was discovered. WHY the LONG DELAY? Because MONEY is involved for all their vendors of virus software.
Where would Norton or McAffie(sp) be if Microsoft CLOSED each security issue the moment it is exploited?
They know it is, because they monitor (spy on) everyone's computers at least once per day if not more often.


Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 28 Nov 2012, 09:09
by Yogi
I don't get too excited by the numbers so early in the game, but Windows 8 is breaking sales records according to the people at Microsoft who know.
The new operating system is outpacing sales of Windows 7 at the same stage of its life, said Tami Reller, finance and marketing head of the Windows business, speaking at an investor conference held by Credit Suisse.
I doubt that the trend will change after the Black Friday frenzy, but the true significance of these sales will not be known for many months to come. ... 00113.html

For those of you who think Android is just another version of Linux, the news isn't too good on that front either.
Apple's U.S. share of smartphone sales in the 12 weeks to Oct. 31 more than doubled from a year ago to 48.1 percent, putting it within reach of the record 49.3 percent it managed in early 2012.

Android's share dropped to 46.7 percent from 63.3 percent, Kantar WorldPanel's data showed, but it continues to dominate in key European markets. The platform claimed 74 percent market share in Germany and 82 percent in Spain.
Stay tuned for more details as they develop. ... 5E20121127

Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 28 Nov 2012, 09:19
by Yogi
Kellemora wrote:I think you meant to say CRACKER instead of HACKER, Hackers are the good guys who improve and develop software. A Cracker is someone who writes malicious code and tries to break security systems.

I beg your pardon, but I meant "hacker" when I referred to those miscreants who write malicious code to attack operating systems and hijack databases. Back in the days when being a hippie meant you were fat, a hacker was unquestionably a good guy. Many still are today, but the popular usage of the word has a sinister and negative connotation these days. It has been that way for a dozen years, maybe two or three decades.

Differentiating the hacker from the cracker is a futile exercise in semantics and has little bearing on how people use Linux for evil purposes and then complain when that behavior is being restricted by their targets.

Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 28 Nov 2012, 15:25
by Kellemora
Well I do agree, thousands of words have changed meaning over the years, due to blatant misuse of the words by the uninformed.
Especially words like Broadband, and abbreviations like CRT, have been so grossly misused, such misuse is now commonplace!

CRT has always stood for "Cathode Ray Tube" and in the early days of computer, as Monitors took the place of TV's for use with computers, the IDIOTS who knew nothing about them, began calling them CRT's.
A TV is a collection of components, only one of which was a CRT, which is why it was termed a Television SET.
A Monitor was nearly identical to a TV, the only thing absent was a TV Channel Tuner. The largest component was the CASE, not the CRT. So why didn't the IDIOTS just call it a CASE? Would make more sense than calling a SET OF COMPONENTS by the name of a Single Component of the SET of Components.

Look up BAD in the Dictionary sometime, due to misuse, one of the numbered definitions is now that it means GOOD!
But if you look up GOOD, you will not find it means BAD, hi hi........


Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 28 Nov 2012, 19:45
by Yogi
I've been speculating for quite a while now that Microsoft has a business plan that changes the nature of licensing their software. They did not invent it, but The Cloud and all the mobile devices using it lends itself to the concept of subscription operating system software. The link points out how Apple has been doing this for a long time, and now with Windows 8 the word on the street is that Microsoft is preparing to go in that direction. I'm not sure how I feel about this change of direction because I've been paying heavily for full install software that is obsolete in three or four years. The subscription would be annual but cheaper. Plus the basic OS would be updated more frequently.

Here is what the folks at Tech Crunch have to say about it:
Microsoft might be figuring out that the best way to get users to use its product isn’t by charging an arm and a leg for updates and releasing them only once every few years. Redmond is reportedly switching to an approach like that taken by rival Apple, delivering inexpensive, annual updates that are less dramatic but which are designed to get all users on board a unified platform. ... s-updates/

Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 29 Nov 2012, 11:50
by Kellemora
Hi Yogi

In a sense, a lot of things have already worked this way, some for a very long time too.

We were told years ago, that someday, we would not load software onto our computers, but only access the program on-line to use it, that way we always would have the latest and greatest.

Where I work, technically, works exactly in this fashion. I DO NOT have their software loaded on my computer. Heck, like here too in fact. I'm entering data into this box, on-line, not in my own computer, to a program running at your end of the wire. It's the same at work. I log-in, go to what programs I need and open them.

Many of the games we play, like through Facebook, only a small part of the game module is downloaded, and we must stay in sync with the servers running the games.

This concept has both its good points and bad points.

The good side is, you never need to worry about whether the software will run on your computer, all you need is access to it.
The bad side is, do you want your personal and private data being stuck on some server somewhere, even if you can add a copy of it to your own computer, you still can't read it unless you go on-line to access the program that generated it.

I have bought and paid for some very expensive programs, like QuickBooksPro, AutoDeskCAD/CAM and the like, Broaderbunds Family Tree Maker and other high dollar software.
It's there and I can use it to access my data whenever I want. I have not upgraded after I closed my businesses that required the full blown programs. But it is still there and I can use it. Even though now quite obsolete, but then so are the files I need to access.

I needed to draw some floor plans for my home remodel. I wasn't about to go out and pay the cost of CAD/CAM to do that, so used QCAD which is Free. By the same token, it wouldn't make sense for me to pay an annual subscription to something I only use once every 5 years or so.
But suppose I did pay a subscription in order to make the drawings I wanted to make. I set them aside for a few years as I save up the bucks to build whatever it was I designed. I would have to take out a new subscription in order to have access to those plans and make minor modifications. And there is a very good chance, that so many changes took place over that time period, that the system could not read my original plans.

We find this with all of the programs I named above. Buying their latest and greatest means all of my old VALUABLE data is lost.

FWIW: I don't use any program with a totally proprietary storage system, where I cannot produce a plain text or plain graphical output from it. Or something that cannot be exported into a generic file storage system that can be read by most like kind software.

If you were an accountant, handling the data for some large major corporations. Would you WANT that data to be transmitted over the public airwaves or cables to a server somewhere? In order to use the program they have to offer under subscription pricing? I would be very leery to do so!

I have no idea how the letters I type on my keyboard appear on the screen displayed from your server. Nor do I know how this is done from where I work. I do know this. I can highlight and copy what I type here, but at work, it's impossible. Even hitting the Print Screen Button produces a blank page, sometimes with a single letter showing in the text window. But it is always blank.
The same thing happens if I use a hand-held digital camera. I may catch three or four letters on the filled screen, the rest appears blank in the image. I sorta know why, but not how they do this. I'm probably seeing a slow scan of a letter at a time that like how TV operates, does not fade away very fast.

I do know computing is moving in that direction, a little bit more each day. And most of us are conditioned to doing everything on-line these days. But as far as having to pay subscriptions, there are a few places like that already and seem to be doing OK. But if it is a program I can find that I control the data in-house, I would opt for in-house over shooting it out-of-house, especially if delicate.


Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 29 Nov 2012, 11:53
by Kellemora
Forgot to mention that a few Linux Distro's have already moved to ROLLING Releases, which eliminates the need to upgrade every few years. Everyone hates having to install a new system and get it all tweaked out and humming the way they like. Rolling Releases alleviate all the problems of sequential upgrades.


Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 30 Nov 2012, 11:02
by Yogi
The point of the cartoon that opened this thread is that even corporate giants can become irrelevant if they do not make the appropriate changes. It can be argued that Microsoft has defined personal computing with it's long list of successful software products. The not so obvious implication is that giant corporations do not have the control over their customers nearly to the degree to which they are criticized for having. Today's means of communicating is grass roots and Microsoft appears to be lagging to say it kindly.

I've become comfortable with paying for the software I use, and I firmly believe that you get what you pay for. The open source community is performing a valuable service, but they are not up to the level of Microsoft. That's a sad situation because Microsoft is on shaky ground at the moment. Open Source is not capable of supplementing and much less in a position to take over personal computing in any serious form. The best compromise out there is Google and even they are in head to head competition with Apple Computers. We will witness an interesting struggle for dominance over then next couple years, and at this point it's impossible to say who will come out on top. The world of personal computing will change regardless. It is the people's needs that drive the market after all.

As a post script to the above, I've tried "upgrading" Ubuntu several times as they released new distributions. The roll over has always been flawed and I've been forced to reinstall from scratch each time. Interestingly enough, the clean install generally works perfectly out of the box. Maybe other distributions of Linux roll things over seamlessly. Ubuntu, however, has problems in that regard.

Re: Microsoft?

PostPosted: 30 Nov 2012, 14:11
by Kellemora
Ummm, Ubuntu does not have a rolling release. They still have Upgrades from one version to the next. And you are correct, Upgrades cause problems that a fresh install eliminates. But the you have to reload everything you work with.

Programs don't have to be open source, there are closed source and proprietary programs available for Linux.

If QuickBooks offered a Linux version of their QuickBooks Pro, I would probably buy it in a heartbeat!

But for casual and occasional use of some programs, like CAD/CAM, I don't use it enough to warrant paying a GRAND to draw a new floor plan for a room remodel job.

And you know, Valve & Steam are now offering PROPRIETARY Games that run on Linux, in fact, they run better on Linux than on Windows, if you use the right desktop. KDE Plasma is the most preferred right now.

I know a few Linux users who are sticklers about open source everything. But to the rest of us, that's NOT what it's about at all.
RedHat isn't a free OS, never has been that I know of. Clones of it were, like CentOS, which is great, and introduces RedHat in a way that perhaps a company may have chosen RedHat over something else. I know several web site owners that use RedHat because of its support system, which I hear is better than what Ubuntu provides. But then too, they've had years to iron out all the wrinkles.

I used DOS and Windows all the way up through the introduction of Vista, spent one heck of a lot of money over those years too!
Spent a fortune on MASM when I was trying to learn to write simple programs I wanted, that were not offered at any price.
Today, most of the programs I wanted are now available for Free, for Windows, but not yet found for Linux.
I'm told the reason is they are just to simple to write in BASH that any Linux user should be able to. I can't. And for some reason cannot get my head around Bash programming. Yet at one time, I was real good at Basic, so much so, Beagle Brothers considered hiring me, many long eons ago!

For the work I do each day, I find Linux to be superior in all aspects of my work. And all of the programs I use each day, are Free. Although I have donated to some of the programmers who maintain them. One is not open source at all, it is proprietary, the simple version is free, the pro version costs.
On the flip side, there are many free programs I have tried that are lauded by many as the greatest. They have very costly pro versions also. Many are way to complicated for what I do, although they may have great features, the learning curve and time necessary to set up your work to their format is just not worth the hassle to me. Sure, it does everything they claim it does, provided you learn all the steps involved so that it will do that.
I spent an entire week messing with it. It was just to distracting and time consuming to use for my daily work.
There are other programs of greater simplicity that will do almost all of what their expensive program will do, without the huge learning curve.

But the biggest problem with most software written for Windows, IF they give a 30 day free trial, it's usually expired before I got around to trying it out properly. Or features you need to know HOW they work to make a buying decision, are locked out.
At least with Free software, you can use it as long as you want before moving up to the Pro Version. Most of them you can see how the pro version does it's thing, it just doesn't let you fully complete the task. It may not let you print, might not let you save it, etc. But most let you get the feel of what it does first. Something lacking in most Windows programs.

But overall, in Linux you have more than ONE Choice of almost everything. That is important to me!