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Left and Right

Postby Yogi » 23 Jun 2010, 19:15

The Letter 'R' is on the left side of the keyboard, and 'L' is on the right side.
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Re: Left and Right

Postby pilvikki » 23 Jun 2010, 20:14


so, the guy who design this sad piece of hardware was dyslexic?

isn't it time to unscramble the keyboard?
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Re: Left and Right

Postby mamie » 24 Jun 2010, 04:24

Hey, I like the keyboard just the way it is - it is imprinted in my brain.

...and "C" for cold is in the south and "W" for warm is in the north -- go figure
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Re: Left and Right

Postby pilvikki » 24 Jun 2010, 12:04


it works for the french though...

if you're supposed to mind your p's and q's, why are they at opposite ends?
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Re: Left and Right

Postby kg » 24 Jun 2010, 13:10

pilvikki wrote:

so, the guy who design this sad piece of hardware was dyslexic?

isn't it time to unscramble the keyboard?


Actually, it already has been, years ago. It's called the Dvorak Keyboard:

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Hmmm...while "R" is on the right, unfortunately, so is "L". At least "C"old is in the north and "W"arm is in the south. :mrgreen:

And it'll be easier for Hooch to watch her "P"s and "Q"s! :P
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Re: Left and Right

Postby bermbits » 24 Jun 2010, 13:33

For what it's worth, T is at the top, and B is at the bottom.... Just sayin'.
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Re: Left and Right

Postby pinky » 24 Jun 2010, 15:14

oh lol very observant u for up is at the top and d is in the middle for down
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Re: Left and Right

Postby pilvikki » 24 Jun 2010, 22:59


i remembered the unscrambled keyboard, but didn't recall the name. i was kinda hoping to be able to buy one....?

[gone fishing]
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Re: Left and Right

Postby bermbits » 25 Jun 2010, 05:16

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Re: Left and Right

Postby MWB » 25 Jun 2010, 05:27

Dyslexics of the world - untie!
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Re: Left and Right

Postby mamie » 25 Jun 2010, 05:40

I'd like to (politely) tell Mr. DVORAK where he can put his keyboard. :o
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Re: Left and Right

Postby kg » 25 Jun 2010, 12:21


Speaking of that, I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Qwerty?

Just askin'. :whistle:
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Re: Left and Right

Postby pilvikki » 26 Jun 2010, 14:03


he got all tangled up in the tangents....? :shifty:
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Re: Left and Right

Postby kg » 26 Jun 2010, 17:31


bermbits wrote:http://home.earthlink.net/~dcrehr/whyqwert.html


From that article:

After all, expert typists can can do nearly 100 words a minute with QWERTY.


I would say "better than 100 WPM"!

As an example, I can think back to high school and the school librarian. My father told me (and, being Principal of the school, he was in a position to know) that she had been tested at over 120 WPM...and this on a manual (not an electric) typewriter (a Royal, as matter of fact)!

It was amazing to me watching her type! Her fingers were literally a blur! All using a typewriter like this:

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As a side note:

My father owned a manual typewriter similar to the one pictured. It was the first typewriter I ever used in learning to type. I feel so old and anachronistic! :vrysad:

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Re: Left and Right

Postby MWB » 26 Jun 2010, 17:42

-kg- wrote: I feel so old and anachronistic! :vrysad:

:P


Creatively anachronistic though, Glenn! :thumbup:
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Re: Left and Right

Postby Helen Bach » 28 Jun 2010, 07:34

I've always been curious about the Dvorak Keyboard. What do you think are the benefits of using a Dvorak keyboard?

I read somewhere that the Qwerty computer was invented the way it was so the most commonly used letters were far apart to stop the spokes (not the correct term) of the keyboard hitting each other when typing fast. But we don't have that problem anymore...
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Re: Left and Right

Postby kg » 28 Jun 2010, 09:12

Helen Bach wrote:I've always been curious about the Dvorak Keyboard. What do you think are the benefits of using a Dvorak keyboard?

I read somewhere that the Qwerty computer was invented the way it was so the most commonly used letters were far apart to stop the spokes (not the correct term) of the keyboard hitting each other when typing fast. But we don't have that problem anymore...


Apparently there aren't any particular advantages, according to the link above (reproduced here):

http://home.earthlink.net/~dcrehr/whyqwert.html

The Dvorak keyboard sounds very good. However, a keyboard need to do more than just "sound" good, and unfortunately, Dvorak has failed to prove itself superior to QWERTY. It appears that many of the studies used to test the effectiveness of Dvorak were flawed. Many were conducted by the good professor himself, creating a conflict of interest question, since he had a financial interest in the venture. A U.S. General Services Administration study of 1953 appears to have been more objective. It found that it really didn't matter what keyboard you used. Good typists type fast, bad typists don't.

It's not surprising, then, that Dvorak has failed to take hold. No one wants to take the time and trouble to learn a new keyboard, especially if it isn't convincingly superior to the old.


This site also confirms what you have read about the reasons for the development of the QWERTY keyboard.

I do sufficiently well with QWERTY (I haven't tested myself lately, but I think I type around 45-50 WPM...I was over 60 WPM in the Air Force in the early '70s), and at this late date, I'm not inclined to take the trouble. I do know that there is an author by the name of Piers Anthony that uses one. I don't know anyone personally that does, though.

Oh, and welcome to the site, Helen! :grin:
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Re: Left and Right

Postby pilvikki » 28 Jun 2010, 21:24


bummer... i hunt and peck and even if i get around 50 - assumong earl's not sitting in my lap - i find this keyboad a pain for being so illogical.

oh yeah... hi steve! how's it going?
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