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consent as school subject

PostPosted: 30 Jan 2015, 18:57
by pilvikki

and the fur flies of course!

when DO the naysayers think it's a good time to discuss consent, at the hospital over a rape kits collection?

Re: consent as school subject

PostPosted: 30 Jan 2015, 19:33
by Ice.Maiden

I don't really agree with what was said there, because I think that "consent" ought to be labelled as "respect".

When sex education starts in our schools - very basic talks from when a child's around 7 - it usually covers the mechanics of sex. No youngster of that age can consent. I think the word's been applied wrongly.

My own children were asking where babies came from long before that age, and so I knew that it was time to start explaining. As time went on, I taught them about having respect for their own and other's bodies, and as puberty approached, I told them about hormone changes and how it affects feelings. THEN the subject of consent cropped up, but the talks beforehand covered all sorts of things, such as never to go anywhere with a stranger or to tell us/teacher/a parent they knew if someone made a comment or action which they were uncomfortable with.

Re: consent as school subject

PostPosted: 31 Jan 2015, 20:25
by pilvikki

the way I understand the issue is that the "consent lessons' start off by simply talking about whatever it appropriate at their age. when I was around 7-8, the big thing was for guys to yank a girl's skirt up. if the girl let off a piercing scream, she was guaranteed to have that done every day...

I looked at the kid down my nose, said "fascinating, isn't is...?

he ran off to his buddy's saying "she's some weirdo..." and I was not bothered.

with my hauteur I clearly communicated my displeasure, BUT only was able to do this after the fact.

see where i'm headed here?

Re: consent as school subject

PostPosted: 01 Feb 2015, 00:38
by Ice.Maiden
Boys will be boys. I remember them pinging girl's bra straps which were visible through our school jumpers, but it never seemed to have a direct sexual motive; more of a childish bit of fun to them. Us girls always knew what was coming because the boys'd walk up close behind us, so we'd either spin round and give them a mouthful or ignore their behaviour.

Just a few years on, I think some of the "horseplay's" become a total no-no. Kids're maturing more quickly than ever, and boys with gross maturity might take things further, but this's where I think it's important to educate kids about the feelings which accompany puberty and to talk about self-control. The same can apply to girls, who, at the onset of puberty "test" out the effect they have on boys, by flirting and giggling at them.

Obviously, consent matters as children mature, but kids become curious about sexual matters and often want to experiment way before they reach 16. I don't think you can put an age on when they're ready for this, but of course, it matters in law.