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Reality

Postby van » 28 Oct 2014, 01:28

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Is the Medical Profession waking up to the fact that they are not omnipotent?
Having been in and out of Medical Establishments over the past couple of yrs I have been told, within the past couple of months by two members of the profession quite bluntly :" I cannot cure you".
T'is not that I went there seeking a cure, but while I have been somewhat skeptical for many years that they were 'God's gift to mankind' ( a perception some seem to foster), it is the first time such a message has ever been delivered to me.
Reality sinking in or perhaps an "all care but no responsibility" to cover themselves against mal-practice suits?

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Re: Reality

Postby Kellemora » 28 Oct 2014, 11:16

Hi Van

There has been NO CURE released in the USA since Polio, and that only came about because Jonas could not cure his wife of the disease without the world finding out about it.

The pharmaceutical industry has made it next to impossible for anything that could or would work as a cure to ever be allowed here.
For a new drug to be classified as a cure it must meet two main requirements.
The first being, it MUST be Patentable. This totally eliminates all prior art and anything natural.
Secondly, it MUST be able to be Synthesized. No natural cures will work when changed from their natural state, or duplicated chemically.

There are over 100 case proven cures for various forms of cancer, most of them without side affects.
Not a single one is allowed to be used in the USA, even though most of them are natural and/or common items we do have available here. They just flat out cannot be used by the medical profession, other than for the purposes so indicated as an allowed usage.

Many products that can cure, are reformulated to create a different product that can delay or mask a symptom, and it gets patented. But what they did to it renders it useless as a cure, and often causes it to now have side affects, some even dangerous.

As an aside: Think of all the organizations who CLAIM to be searching for a Cure, and begging everyone for money. Are they really searching for a Cure, or are they just supporting their organization with false beliefs to make more money?
If they did find a Cure, that was both patentable and could be synthesized, it would mean curtains for their organization, and they are not going to give up their money machine by releasing a cure.

When you look back at all the advances in medicine over the decades. Don't you know sit back and wonder why nothing has been accomplished in almost a century? Oh sure, they find faster easier ways to treat someone, usually surgically, that we didn't have in the past. But isn't this so they don't LOSE a customer for the pharmaceutical industry? Once you have had a medical event, are not MOST doctors appointments thereafter to TEST the amount of DRUGS in your system, so you can renew the prescriptions for those drug? They only keep you alive longer, they do not cure the ailment.

What is the pharmaceutical industry getting approved tomorrow to add to your foodstuffs?
And don't they OWN the FDA?

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Re: Reality

Postby pilvikki » 28 Oct 2014, 17:28


reminds me of the program on breast cancer research from some 20 yrs ago: they were interviewing researchers and the interviewer was baffled by the fact that nobody was sharing any information with any of the 100's of other labs working on the same approach.

so, they asked this one guy who said he would never share any findings because he wanted the future funding and the glory IF he ever found something worthwhile.

that was the last year I gave a penny to these "scientists".
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Re: Reality

Postby van » 28 Oct 2014, 18:42

Kia ora

The sad part, from my perspective, is the ignorance of Joe Public who will get on a bandwagon and spout off about the marvels of Medicine with an almost Evangelical mindset defending certain topics while woefully ill informed and castigating any who would dare to gainsay what they believe.

A recent case was an outbreak of measles. Ranting and raving about bloody "Hippies" who are responsible for these "outbreaks" because they refuse to have their kids vaccinated. Little do they know the truth of the matter, yet the media will readily print their diatribes whereas when someone offers factual information they have about an ice blocks chance in hell in getting their facts printed.

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Re: Reality

Postby Ice.Maiden » 28 Oct 2014, 19:18

I totally agree with what Gary's said.

As for cures, as he says, polio was the last thing to be eradicated en masse.

Cancer cures're actually moving forward though. Doctors and scientists're now realising that the way forward's through stem cell and aligned therapies. This's exactly what a relative of mine's doing, and I'm told that these're coming on in leaps and bounds, with the possibility of them being generally available within 5-6 years.

However, one of my sisters's a scientist, also working on cancer cures, and I know for a fact that the people concerned're working very hard to find a synthetic drug which'll stop cancers in their tracks. At the moment, if a person reacts well to a certain drug, it can give them more time. Not a cure, but I know that there're people walking round with terminal cancer who were diagnosed 10-12 years ago. In this respect, although their systems're being poisoned, these batches of new drugs ARE working to a degree on more and more people, and if the research hadn't taken place, most of these patients wouldn't still be with us.
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Re: Reality

Postby Kellemora » 29 Oct 2014, 14:05

I have one very simple thing for you to think about Icey. It concerns things already used in medicine.

Chemical Therapy, Chemo for short, has been used for quite some time. Despite the fact Chemo actually causes cancer, it does help in a few cases, to give a person five or more years.

Chemo affects the WHOLE Body adversely, kills the good cells along with the bad.

OK, here is where I want you to put on your thinking cap and ask WHY they are not doing this with Chemo.

The doctor sends you to a MRI lab for a test. They inject you with tracer DYE, and this tracer dye has a TAG added to it, to make it go to where the cancer is, so the doctor knows exactly where to point the Radiation to get to the cancer area.

WHY are they NOT adding this TAG to the Chemo, so it goes to where the cancer is?

On another note, concerning the radiation treatments. WHY do they use Single Point radiation devices at all? WHY are they NOT USING Dual Point radiation treatments?

Let me explain: Single Point radiation is like using a blowtorch so to speak. You WILL burn the surface as you try to burn down to where you need the radiation at.

So what is dual point? Think of a cutting laser, but turned down so low it cannot cut. But the light itself is still penetrating, not puncturing.
By adding a second laser lets say 90 degrees away from the first, also turned down so low it cannot cut. But the light still penetrates without puncturing.
HOWEVER, where these two lights bisect each other, they now have their cutting power restored.

Like shining a flashlight into a tank of water from the front, and another flashlight from the side, and where the two beams meet, it lights up that spot.

The tracer Dye with the TAG showed where the cancer is. A radiation beam shot from two points at lower power could be directed to bisect only on the cancer cells and nuke them and only them.

Using the DYE with a TAG is approved for Diagnostics, but the FDA refuses to approve it for medical treatment. For the two reasons I mentioned earlier. It cannot be patented and it cannot be synthesized.

But why is twin beam radiation not being used when it is so much safer and can do the job without injuring non-affected tissue?
Good question eh!
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Re: Reality

Postby pilvikki » 29 Oct 2014, 17:11


:think: :think: :think:

so many questions...
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Re: Reality

Postby van » 29 Oct 2014, 17:17

Kia ora Gary

In my case they put a "blanket" on me before treatment. I thought that maybe it had lead in it to protect other areas from radiation. When I asked about, it turns out that the "blanket" had a substance in it that mimicked skin tissue. The reason it was used was to ensure the radiation was at the proper depth. Without it, if I understand it correctly, the radiation would have gone too deep.

Came across a quote recently which went something like this:
"Cancer kills you slowly, chemo hastens the process"

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Re: Reality

Postby pilvikki » 29 Oct 2014, 17:22

    and yet some get rid of theirs and some don't....
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    Re: Reality

    Postby Ice.Maiden » 29 Oct 2014, 18:12

    Thanks guys. Interesting points.

    Twin-beam radiation IS used Gary, as when cyberknife treatment's given. This's much safer than the old methods, and only targets the depth and circumference of areas needed to be treated. This treatment also has a high success rate, and works on all manner of tumours, including those in the liver and spleen, brain and bones.

    However, due to cost and other considerations, not everyone's eligible for this treatment, which usually lasts for less than a week, and the positive results aren't seen for several months afterwards. Hospitals often don't even tell their patients about this treatment, unless you have the cash to pay for it, which I find disgusting.

    You're right Gary, in that chemo kills good cells as well as the bad, and not all of the bad ones at that. This's why a cancer'll often return at a later date, when cells've broken away (metastasized) and fixed themselves to another or same area of the body where they continue to develop, but cyber treatment targets accurately, and going by reports that I've read and heard about, it's been extremely successful in most cases.

    Bill - you're right. The lead aprons protect from radiation beams hitting areas where it's not wanted, but when it's directed at the diseased parts, obviously it goes straight through the body but helps to shrink or kill the affected areas.

    Some patients manage to get rid of their cancers with the standard treatment of radiotherapy and chemotherapy, but unfortunately, it's still never very far away. If a patient also has surgery to remove an affected area, they seem to stand a better chance of "recovery".

    My sister works for one of the top cancer specialists in the country. On meeting this wonderful man, he was discussing small aspects of his work, and the subject of women and breast cancer cropped up. Many women have to undergo mastectomies, which increase their chances of survival, but because cancerous cells can remain in the vicinity, he said he tries to persuade his female patients not to have breast implants afterwards. The reason for this, is that even under scans, the implants can hide developing tumours in the same area, but for obvious aesthetic reasons, many women either don't know this, or choose to go ahead and feel "wholesome" again.

    Angelina Jolie had a double mastectomy, because the chances of her developing breast cancer were very high. She's not had implants - probably for the very reason stated above.

    Science's come a long way in the last 5 years, and every 6 months or so, new combinations of drugs're being found which can delay the inevitable. If these drugs can keep a person going for long enough, some of these patients're going to benefit from all the new research that's coming out, but cancer patients have to push to get all the details of what can be done NOW. There's a lot of different help, but if you don't ask, you often don't get told.
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    Re: Reality

    Postby van » 30 Oct 2014, 02:11

    Kia ora maiden

    I take an interest in a wide range of topics, some I understand, others while fascinating in the reading leave me wondering. Has Health as a Profession made much progress?
    Some yrs ago I came across an article on the British Health system. In brief it called into question the lives lost within the Health system due to secondary infections. As a result of this investigation action was taken to essentially dispense with anti-bacterial wipes as used on a regular basis and insist that staff revert to the simple procedure of washing their hands with soap and water. As a result of implementing this basic personal hygiene, it was estimated that some 10-000 lives were saved annually.
    Maybe I am old fashioned but while somewhat resistant to change I see little point in changing that which has been proven to work effectively for a long period of time.

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    Re: Reality

    Postby pilvikki » 30 Oct 2014, 12:54


    so. bill, how are you doing?
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    Re: Reality

    Postby Ice.Maiden » 02 Nov 2014, 20:39

    Ditto what Vikki said.

    I agree with some of what you've said Bill, but over all, I think health issues're coming along in leaps and bounds. That's not to say that some of the tried and trusted methods of treatment aren't actually superior in some ways to modern advances, but , but in many cases, the poor old UK's behind some other countries. America beats us by far, but because our NHS's free but very short of money, it sometimes can't provide patients with what they need. Research relies on government grants and donations from the public. When something new and startling DOES crop up, patients mostly have to pay for it. I agree with that in one way, because the said research's cost a lot of money, but I don't agree with the exorbitant costs of the drugs when they become available.

    Even so, we have what we call a "post code lottery" over here. Some people're lucky enough to live in an area where they can at least sample some of the new treatments. The rest have to go without, but, since a patient can now choose where he/she wishes to be treated at, many travel miles to get it and a few've even moved to be in the catchment areas. Of course, if you can pay ........
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    Re: Reality

    Postby pilvikki » 03 Nov 2014, 12:54


    a lottery!?! how in the name of anything... :silenced: :silenced: :silenced:

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    Re: Reality

    Postby Ice.Maiden » 04 Nov 2014, 12:39

    It's not literally a lottery hun. It's been tagged as such, because dependent on the areas that manage to get these drugs, some folk're lucky, and some aren't.
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    Re: Reality

    Postby pilvikki » 05 Nov 2014, 06:07


    still a craps shoot... and as such unacceptable.
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    Re: Reality

    Postby Ice.Maiden » 05 Nov 2014, 06:33

    Very unfair, I agree.
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